They won't be approaching me for a review as things ended badly and I was pretty much kicked out of the course. I want to take this moment to say that what happened at Rookie Academy was entirely my fault, and I don't hold being kicked out personally; at the time I was more than willing to leave. This review is not going to be nice, and I want to eliminate any personal bias right now.
Being kicked out of Rookie Academy was almost like a gift. There were things that happened outside of my own troubles that were just completely ignorant of good business practice. This illustrates the gist of it:
Classmate: Dean just sent me a message asking for a review and some good things about Rookie Academy.
Me: So are you going to write anything?
Classmate: Fuck no!
Classmate: They lied to me.
That's all they seemed to do. Lie. So where to begin? Well let's start with the cost of the program!
Cost
The website says that for an 18 week intensive course where you will get certified for level 1 or level 2 it costs you about 15k. Yup, fifteen-thousand-dollars! It's worth it too, at first. I mean you get to live in a mansion in Colorado for months and snowboard every day... a mansion that's got more than 10 people living it, and don't expect to have your own room.
Yes, if you want your own room in the house you will have to pay even more--a good thousand or so more. They got me for a shitty room in a walk-in closet, in other words I had to walk through someone else' room to take a piss. The doors creaked loud as fuck and I don't know how many times I slammed into the guy's shit trying to walk in darkness. It probably sucked as much for him as it did for me, getting woken up all the damn time.
I had a friend living in a "room" separated with those Japanese paper panels. There were no walls and the poor kid had to wake up and go to sleep on everyone else' schedule. He had to pay extra for this.
I'd have to say that with all of the extra crap that was NOT included in the cost from their website, the program was a good $5,000 more. Lie #1, and not exactly a "little white lie" either.
The website says you will have the option to work, which I took to mean that Rookie Academy had a deal with some ski schools in the area to keep a few positions open. Dean told me to expect to make around $3,000 working. There was no work though, and not because of the recession. Dean failed to mention that you had to find your own job, which any one who has worked a resort before knows is virtually impossible if you don't apply early on. Thanks Rookie Academy.
Training
Training was alright... when we had it. The whole thing was pretty hard to take seriously. We trained for two weeks in December than went off on a two break. So that's 16 weeks of training, not 18. Oh, wait! The last 5 weeks of the 18--err--16 week course are not for training, just accomodations. You can get training, but it'll cost you (surprise, surprise). So that's only 11 weeks of training? Hmm.
Now factor in the crazy training schedule. I never knew what group was practicing where, when. Sometimes we had Wednesdays off, other times we had Thursdays off, still other times we had Monday through Wednesday off but were practicing through Sunday... wait hold on, I'm confused.
Everyone passed their level 1 exams, but sorry to report that the level 1 exams are about as hard walking. Only two snowboarders managed to pass their level 2, and one of those two had his level 1 for a few years. Here's a good time to mention that the skiers had to take their level 2 after everyone had moved. The instructors and owner pretty much bailed, so no help for those poor bastards.
Another thing about training worth noting, on their website they tell you there is an optional freestyle intro course. I figured that would fill up the last 5 weeks of the course, but no. I asked about the intro course over and over and all I got was garbled sentence fragments in a New Zealand accent. Alas, there is no "freestyle intro course", they are fucking with you.
The Lift Pass Debacle
One thing I came to learn about Rookie Academy is that they absolutely love making money. They had a spare Epic Pass that some poor bastard purchased but was unable to attend the camp, and when one of the late arrivals to the school decided to buy a pass last minute they told him he could buy the extra for cheap.
Well the brilliant sleuths of Vail Resorts eventually noticed that "Bill Baxter" looked remarkably foreign and had a pretty thick Peruvian accent. A few questions revealed that my friend was not in fact "Bill Baxter", so Vail quickly shut down all passes purchased by Rookie Academy. For a little while they told us we were shit out of luck, bouncing us from referral to referral within Rookie Academy.
They finally sorted it out, but I'm sure they were trying their hardest to get everyone to forget about it. Either way, legit businesses don't knowingly commit federal crimes and jeapordize their customer's integrity like that.
Final Thoughts
The training at Rookie Academy was semi-useful. There are things I would have had trouble understanding without the visual aid, but I think there was a much better way to get the experience that I was looking for.
I'm going to point anyone who wants to become a snowboarding instructor to an alternative that I sure as shit wish I could have pursued:
Every thing Rookie Academy is going to teach you is verbatim from the literature found at the Rocky Mountain PSIA website. Buy all the books and videos, study them and go to SkiJob1 to apply for a job; you don't need to be certified to get a job at a ski/snowboard school!
For 15k, you can live at least 3 full snow seasons in Colorado. You can either get your own place or save even more cash by opting for employee housing. Start by working at a ski school and getting comfortable with how things work while practicing the techniques found at the PSIA website and literature during your time off. Your job will reinforce your practice and you will have the same experienced instructors to give you tips on passing your exam.
You can schedule your own clinics and exam dates through the PSIA website and before you know it you will be level 1 certified. This is the best way to do it, especially if you had the $15k ready to give to Rookie Academy. Save it and use it for an adventure while achieving the same results.
Sorry Rookie Academy, but you get two thumbs and two big toes down...
Fuck dude why didn't you tell me I'd have let you move in with me for the remainder of the season and helped you find a job. I know those dudes conned SSV something fierce can't wait to show this to my buddy so he knows what's up.
ReplyDeleteWow. I am really sorry you had to experience that. I guess it built some character...
ReplyDeleteThis story should be on 20/20
I'm heading to CO in November till Feb. and am in touch with Anthony from Rookie Academy about doing my training there...this is a good heads up though. Is there no other operation that runs instructor courses other than these guys? Anyway I'll have a look at your alternative, kind-of just stumbled upon your blog - glad I did though!
ReplyDeleteIf possible you should just avoid all of them. There are several "instructor schools" through the U.S. and Canada but they all cost about the same and I just don't think any of them are worth it.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason I would consider an intructor school is if I wanted to go for level I and level II in one season, because you are more likely to grow wings and fly than do that on your own. Consequently, only three kids passed their Level IIs (1 skier and two boarders) out of some 13 to 15 kids at Rookies last year... the Level II exam has a much higher fail rate than Level I, so spending all of that money doesn't guarantee you anything.
There is only one thing Rookies really taught me and that was re-learning to ride and control my snowboard. Some of the concepts would be difficult to wrap your mind around without any references or examples, but again if you got in good with a ski school and talked to some of the higher certed instructors I'm sure they would be happy to show you... for free though, this wasn't something worth $15k.
If you do decide to go for Rookie Academy here are a few recommendations: don't stay in their housing and don't do the full 18-week course (since 7 of those weeks are only accommodations, no training takes place).
This is really helpful. I'm only going to be around till the beginning of Feb. and would ideally like to do Level I and II but it seems Level II courses run through till March, so the only course that really fits in is the 5 week Level I course. Do you know anything about schools/resorts training you in return for work? I'll be in CO on a holiday visa so won't be able to work for money, not that it matters just want to get trained up while I'm there really.
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The thing about level II, in my opinion, is that the riding part and written exam are something easily done in one season; the teaching and movement analysis part are something I just don't feel can be properly understood in one season.
ReplyDeleteStatistics show that most Level I instructors spend at least two seasons at that level before progressing; so I would just take it one step at a time and not stress out too much about getting both in one season. Worse comes to worse you just have an excuse to come back and ride more, right?
I would contact the ski schools for the resorts you are going to be next to and explain your situation; ask them about shadowing instructor classes... this is an alternative to paid work and a great hands on way to learn teaching concepts.
Since most lessons end with some riding time to spare, you can see if the instructors you shadow will work with you on concepts in the exam.
Sound advice. Thanks man, you've saved me a lot of time and hassle and money. Peace.
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ReplyDeleteI was very interested to hear all of your comments and concerns. We run a similar business (Snow Trainers) in New Zealand and Japan, and we are looking to start courses at Copper, CO. If you have the time I was wondering if I could get your thoughts on a few things. As you know, you can become a qualified instructor by taking the exams yourself and working for a ski school, you dont need to do a course. For those who want to experience a winter in the snow, quality training, riding with a good crew every day and have everything organised - what sort of price would you suggest is reasonable? Or what price would you have put on the course you did?
How long would you suggest is a good length for the entire course and how many weeks of actual training?
If you are back at Copper this winter and want to go for a ride, look us up! Always good to go shred with a new crew.
It's hard to say what is reasonable, but this season for example I will paying around $8k (including utilities) to live in Big Bear for an entire year. In a house split by over 10 people, like Rookie Academy, I would expect the housing to be significantly less. Sure, we did get a mansion, but it was an unnecessary expense.
ReplyDeleteOn top of accommodation, I would expect all fees associated with certification (books, courses) to be included in the final figure and of course a reasonable cost for your private training... and I expect to pay for your training WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TRAINING.
As I recall, the cost of season passes was not included in Rookies, and to top it off they decided last minute that it would be MANDATORY to purchase the Epic Pass in addition to Copper/Winter Park (an extra $600 expense) and with Copper being our training mountain and the easiest to access, many of us rarely used them.
Really, the price wasn't the issue with Rookie Academy, but everything the company neglected to disclose. Like the fact we would not have private rooms, and would need to pay extra for that; or that working as an instructor while training were not pre-arranged, we needed to secure our own positions; or that the 18-week course was only 11-weeks of training.
Thanks Lou, that's good to know. We always include everything in the final price because I hate it myself when you go on some sort of all-inclusive tour or package and they spring all these extras on you.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your insight Lou G. I'm a CSIA level l trained in Mont Tremblant, CA. I'm interested in achieving PSIA level ll and AASA levels l and ll. Snow Trainers seems more above board than Rookies. I'm interested in their package costs when they set up in CO.
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Snow trainers, Wow , I could not think of anything worse. I had a friend on their course in NZ. He said it was realy badly organised and they had a real bad success rate in the exams.
ReplyDeleteI have have just finished training with the Rookie Academy and I have to say it was awesome. You complain about the cost but you get what you pay for and that is the best trainers in the world! Its worth it just for that even if nothing else was included. Nobody is going to get you as good as quickly. Sure you could save your money and take 10 years to get as good as they will get you in one season.
ReplyDeleteUnless you work at say Bear Mountain, where there are Level III examiners on staff and available to train with you daily... and this is for free, as well as you get to earn money with hands on teaching.
ReplyDeleteAnd Bear Mountain is just a small mountain in Southern California, so I can only imagine the staff roster at big name resorts.
Anyway, I don't know how "good" you think you are, but it sure doesn't take 10 years to get to where Rookie takes you, which is mastering BASIC RIDING AND TEACHING TECHNIQUES.
Give any rider one full season and one private lesson a week (so they can spend a week on what they learn) and they will ride just as solid... still cheaper than an instructor course.
Are Rookies still running an 18 week course in the US? I can't see any reference to 18 week courses anywhere on their site.
ReplyDeleteHey. I'm a level 3 instructor. You said That if u get to know a high cert instructor that they will show u these techniques and tips for free not the 15000 rookies costs. No chance! if you came up and asked me to train you I'd walk you into the snow school office and get you to buy a private lesson. Cost is about $180 per 2 hrs. If you could ride 5 days a week on your own and do four hours a week with a full cert instructor once a week you might get close to passing youlevel one. Training In an academy such as rookies means guided practice. So when your riding incorrectly it's brought to you attention and corrected. Riding on your own often just reinforces bad habits.
ReplyDeleteThat's my view after teaching and training for over 5 years. Take it or leave it. The books and info on line are study aids. Being able to ask questions and get instant feedbackon your riding from qualified people is the best way to train.
I don't know where I said that? I did recommend getting a job as an instructor... I'm pretty sure most resorts do take time to train any new hire interested in getting his cert, as it benefits their business to have as knowledgeable a staff as possible.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you completely on the difficulty of the level one.